JSF. Soldats rennaissances ou série "Henri IV".

Messieurs ,je viens soumettre a votre sagacité ,non pas le type de droite qui va aller enrichir mon groupe renaissance Cyrnos ,mais celui de gauche .Ce tambour m'est parfaitement inconnu ,en plastique rouge, meme rigidité et masse que les Cyrnos ,il n'a aucune marque visible ,pour avoir gratté un peu son mollet ,sa peinture criarde semble être la première..
Alors ?????

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Il est beau ton Cyrnos      


Pour le tambour
Vu sur le net

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Pistes Beffoid jsf, pourquoi pas rf, voir dans les versions plomb creux des 3 tomes Tisné, que je n'ai pas  

Breizh44 a écrit:

ça serait pas du PZG?

Bien vu, en regardant de prés, les bras et le bas de jambes ne semblent pas peints, pour preuve la peinture des chaussures qui saute, et le plastique translucide est semblable à celui des empires Pzg (la teinte en moins )

Elrik, le plastique de ton tambour est plus souple que dur, sonne t il quand tu le choque ?

..Le mien est entierement peint ,il est en plastique rouge ,sans aucune marque (les PZG sont marqués sous la terasse non??) .Le plastique est exactement de la meme densité que celui des Cyrnos et de la meme rigidité...

Merci a Winnetou 

On ne sait toujours rien de leur origine ,mais incontestablement ceux la sont de la meme famille
Juste un peu rafraichis derriere les oreilles et rearmés ,l'un d'eux avait dans la main gauche ce qui ressemblait furieusement a un reste de pistolet ....Donc

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Pour l'instant ,4 pietons ,1 cavalier .....A SUIVRE....

et des Johillco plastic.....on avait vérifié ?
Duc d'Al.

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Je penche vraiment pour du Français... 

...c'est que le cheval (du fond ) ressemble tellement aux Joe Hill, crescent etc....
on est certain que ce ne sont pas de simples JSF bien sur
Duc d'Al.

I sent the picture to a friend Erwin Sell to see if he recognized the figures.  He did not know the figures but said this:
They are Swedish soldiers for the XVII century. Also blue and yellow are predominant colors of Sweden in their uniform too and they had it.
The one with halberd and the one mounted are Polish soldiers of same era war in complete different polish uniform but same type of bases. I got them from Poland few years ago. Design look very polish style and Poland had a huge war with Sweden (call the deluge)in same century that had been represented in over 23 war polish film.
We are checking with a Polish collector to see if he can identified them.

thanks so much stad for all this research so two makers, right ? 1 suèdois et 1 polonais les polonais étant celui "à cheval" et celui avec hallebarde....
Duc d'Al.

Hello, the mounted figure was made in Poland by PZG but the foot figures were made in France but I'm not sure who by.  I have several of the foot figures and they all came from France, I've never seen these in lead or aluminium so I don't think they were made from old moulds.  

Stad's friend Erwin suggests they represent Swedish soldiers of the XV11 century because of the blue/yellow uniform colours but he is mislead here because they have all been repaired and repainted.  The white flag with blue cross is original paint and the coat of arms, which is a transfer (decal) is also original but that's about all.

Swedish cavalry of the XV11 century designed by the Swedish sculptor Holger Eriksson were made in plastic in 1947 by Malleable Mouldings in the UK but they look nothing like these.

Brian Carrick a écrit:

Hello, the mounted figure was made in Poland by PZG but the foot figures were made in France but I'm not sure who by.  I have several of the foot figures and they all came from France, I've never seen these in lead or aluminium so I don't think they were made from old moulds.  

Stad's friend Erwin suggests they represent Swedish soldiers of the XV11 century because of the blue/yellow uniform colours but he is mislead here because they have all been repaired and repainted.  The white flag with blue cross is original paint and the coat of arms, which is a transfer (decal) is also original but that's about all.

Swedish cavalry of the XV11 century designed by the Swedish sculptor Holger Eriksson were made in plastic in 1947 by Malleable Mouldings in the UK but they look nothing like these.

Hello Brian .I made had been mislead so may as  you as well  by guessing are from France because come from a French collectors those of yours.
The above figures are not only painted in the yellow and blue colors. Two more lots had pup up in eBay recently with exact same colors least in 4 poses. One from Czechoslovakia ,other from Poland indeed. 
Yet it will not tell me are either country origin but just from where been sold out only .
The rude thick  bases resemble a bit those used by most Polish makers as well and also in some instances those of Spain too.
I do not know about material but Polish test and used wherever plastic they can as their factory were gob subsidized with wherever left material to spare during harsh Communist era .Their production were very limited too as well.
Here in this forum another poses with same colors were posted as well others collectors single poses that show many other variation painting and not painted or paint off
You can see the yellow and blue was used original in some poses as well,so NOT repainted
Also back production could had been painted in several variation as most manufactures did too .So to speculate the one set you may have is the only real original color is misguided in my opinion too with respect please.
What I mean in response to Paul(Stads) that day he send me picture in was (they could had been made to be use as Swedish not as that only because colors depicted in specific figures.)
Yet is big doubt in what and who made then. Till now is all conjecture only .
That in this Forum/Blog none from France had recognized Yet!!!.It made me think for now is hard to believe are French made ,yet it could be possible of course.
I had not time to send to several friends from Poland,Spain and Italy but as soon i do i'm sure will get a response either negative or positive
Maybe they are from Ireland too .Who knows!!!
best regards.
see link
.https://soldatplastique-1-32.forumgratuit.org/t8275-conquistadors-ou-soldats-renaissances-polonais-identif-en-cours?highlight=conquistadors

j'ai aussi une partie de ces soldats, j'avais cru à des jsf, mais les jsf sont différents, vous les découvrirez dans mon livre, j'y ai ajouté un de ces soldats pour comparer,
dans le tarif jsf ils sont qualifiés de soldats henri IV

Interesting Alain,thank you for update.

attention j'ai bien dit que ce ne sont pas des jsf
mais une autre marque française que je n'ai pas encore identifiée

yes i understood Alain .
I know they are not JSF but looks interesting that data about the figures from your book as well. ..
are you positive are made in France!?
best

yes syre they are french

Tout compte fait, il semble bien qu'il s'agisse de JSF et Alain en fait figurer plusieurs page 144 de son dernier livre.
Le temps a passé et nous éclaire. Il confirmera et nous corrigerons s'il y a lieu.
J'ai une pensée en ressortant ce sujet à celui qui était à son origine.

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à mon niveau ce ne sont pas des jsf, j'en ai effectivement montré un dans mon livre mais par comparaison, la recherche continue !